Sodomite Scouts and the Southern Baptists

baptismThe nation’s largest Protestant denomination stopped short of calling for its member churches to boycott the Boy Scouts, but voiced strong opposition to acceptance of gay scouts – with a top church leader predicting at the annual gathering of Southern Baptists that a “mass exodus” of youths from the program that has been a rite of passage for more than a century.[1]

 The recent news from the Boy Scouts was disappointing, although not surprising. Anyone with the least bit of discernment could tell that was in the wind.

But the news from the Southern Baptists was truly devastating. Again, unfortunately, not surprising, but truly devastating. Given a chance to stand for Christ on this issue they… waffled. They pronounced themselves neither fish nor foul, neither chicken nor good red meat, neither hot nor cold.

Christ has something to say about being neither hot nor cold. Non-binding resolutions of encouragement… these are not the actions of Christ.

 Rev 3:15-16 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

 But no one should be surprised, as the Southern Baptists are merely following the tradition they laid down in the matter of the government schools.[7] They, too, accept, and even teach and promote Sodomy. They, too, started with accepting it amongst the children and then allowed it amongst the leaders.

And the Southern baptists… went along with government schools, and kept sending their children to them. Time after time members have tried to pass resolutions condemning the government schools,[7] and time after time the ‘moderate’ leadership has voted them down. Government schools are  dedicated to educating our children in anti-God and pro-Perversion principles, and the leaders of this so-called church cannot even bring themselves to call for an exodus; let alone shutting them down. Huge numbers, an overwhelming majority, still send their children to these blasphemous institutions.

The Southern Baptist commit several doctrinal mistakes in their consideration of this issue. The first is a false, modern, definition of the word ‘love’:

 the-destruction-of-sodom-1857.jpg!xlMediumAt the meeting of about 5,000 Southern Baptists in Houston, Texas, Charlie Dale, pastor of the Indian Springs First Baptist Church in Alabama, spoke against the Boy Scouts resolution…

“boys who think they are gay are probably confused and need help, …

“Such a boy needs our love. So let’s bring him in, show him what real Biblical manhood is about. And love him,” [2]

 Love, in the context of active, unrepentant, sin, requires a very specific response: rejection.[8] That is what Scripture very clearly teaches. It is not loving, indeed it is hateful, to ‘accept’ someone in unrepentant sin. It is not loving to ‘bring him in’. It is loving to call him to repentance by rejecting his sin, and him with it until and unless he repents.

Sodomy is not a ‘confusion’; it is a sin. It does not need ‘help’, it needs condemnation. And not only does the Sodomite need that (along with the fornicator, murderer, thief, etc.) but the society needs that. A society which ‘helps’ Sodomites by accepting them in and ‘loving’ them is a society which calls down God’s curse on their heads.[9]

 The second issue would be the question of being unequally yoked. The Boy Scouts, unlike the government schools, are ‘charter partners’ with churches. They literally meet at churches, and are intimately affiliated with them.[10]

 2Co 6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?

for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 The Scriptures are clear on this issue. While we need to work in the world, and cannot help many of our incidental and non-ministry associations, we are not allowed to ‘yoke ourselves’ together with unbelievers; let alone those who have publicly announced an open, unrepentant sin. We are required to come out from amongst them and be separate.[11]

 The third issue is a more pervasive issue. An issue where the Church, itself, is fundamentally wrong; and no one is even addressing the issue.

 Call to ArmsIn a statement issued after the vote, the BSA said the resolution “reinforces that Scouting is a youth program, and any sexual conduct, whether heterosexual or homosexual, by youth of Scouting age is contrary to the virtues of Scouting.”[3]

The statement is self-contradictory. To call yourself ‘gay’ is to engage in sexual conduct. Even at its most minimum definition, that of proclaiming a certain sexual attraction, that is sexual conduct. Declairing ones ‘sexual preference’, out loud, in public, is sexual conduct. And being able to say so implies sexual conduct.

Not that there is anything wrong with sexual conduct. It is a commanded activity for most of us, indeed many more of us than admit it.[5] It is foolishness and contradiction to deny it.

Scripture calls upon our youth to marry. Scripture, indeed, calls upon our youth to be routinely engaging in sexual conduct. With their wife.

But the BSA statement, above, reflects, unfortunately, the general view of the church, as well. A view that is Biblically false.   Biblically speaking a youth, a young man, is supposed to be continually engaging in sexual conduct. Biblically a man is supposed to ‘rejoice in the wife of his youth’.[4]

Our society has emasculated our young men. They have denied them wives, jobs, and a meaningful and powerful role in society. The idea that it is OK to have self-confessed Sodomites in the Scouts because ‘they aren’t supposed to be having sex anyway’ is a reflection of that emasculation. God designed young men to want to have sex, and he designed woman so they could.[12]

(Some may object here that ‘they are just little kids’. Well, children that are too little to be married are most certainly to little to be expressing some sort of perverted ‘sexual preference’. The only ‘little kid’ that this policy could affect is no ‘little kid’. And the actual age range for the scouts is well within the age that, historically, children were married, and equally well within the age range that, presently, they are fornicating.)

And what is more foolishness is to deny what the natural effect of allowing Sodomites to join, and soon to lead, in the Scouts. The effect, as it is in the government schools, will be to denigrate and deny the witness of the church against Sodomy.

And that denigration and denial will effect the most vulnerable amongst us, our young men. Our hormone laden young men. We have denied them the sexual outlet that God has commanded us to give them, and now we are going to throw them in company with young men who state a sexual attraction to them? And who their father has deliberately allowed or even encouraged them to join in ministry with?

The young men that they will be going camping with? Sharing a tent with? Sharing a shower or stream bathe with? (Or don’t scouts still do that?) Are you literally insane?

It has always been questionable as to whether ‘scouting’ was something the Godly young man should be doing with his time,[6] but the present position of the BSA should make this crystal clear. Come out from amongst them, and be seperate. Something similar could be said, now, for the Southern Baptist Convention.


[1] Read more:


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[4] Pro 5:18 Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth. Pro 5:19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.
Youth: H5271 נערה נער נעוּר Properly passive participle from H5288 as denominative; (only in plural collectively or emphatically) youth, the state (juvenility) or the persons (young people): – childhood, youth. (Strongs)

[5] Real men marry, True Love Doesn’t Wait.

[6] Burning your unform: Dealing with the perversion of the Boy Scouts


[8] 1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife.

1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

[9] Romans 1:18-32


[11] Be not Unequally Yoked

[12] Romans 1:27. I Cor 7:2,9

Von is a father of six, husband of one. He has been a schoolteacher, missionary linguist, and now is a nurse and an EMT (ambulance driver). He is reformed baptist, full quiver, family integrated and theonomic, among other things. He enjoys writing on practical theonomy; and particularly on what Scripture says about the path to marriage (Hint: he doesn’t believe in either courtship or dating). He is the author of ‘What are you Doing?’ and ‘The Covenant of Betrothal’, both of which can be downloaded free from He also writes for

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